Friday, July 25, 2008

ADR Valves: Old vs. New

This entry has some prerequisite reading: my entries of July 3, 19 and 22. Those posts will give you the necessary background to understand the following:

So… what are the downsides to ADR-First? In other words, why has that approach not (yet) gained more broad appeal historically?

First, and most broadly, the perception/reputation of the early ADRs still is the common perception today, and the biggest issues were reliability and price. Let’s take a look at both:

Older ADRs used water valves to actuate the knives of the cutterwheel. This led to two issues: First, they could not be actuated crisply enough to extend one knife blade alone, the minimum was two. In principle, the system needs to throw only one knife blade when cutting a defect that is near the end of a strip (the majority of defects fit this description). To throw that extra blade where there is no strip is to invite extraneous cuts, increasing white cube rates and decreasing product length. And that was the norm for ADRs built before 1999.

Further, since it was not possible to throw a single knife, it was therefore not economical to cut good strips to length (the processors/sensors didn’t provide for that anyway, but that is another matter). If for every cut a cube is created, the yield loss does not justify the other benefits.

Further, water valves had short lives. When actuated, they created “water hammer” (that banging noise in your house water pipes that happens when you shut off a valve quickly, and no hammer arrestor is installed). Water hammer did just what its name implies: hit the valve with a large force each time it was actuated; basically the force was the result of the water’s momentum being stopped suddenly. Remember from physics, mV=FΔt? V is high due to the high impact required to crisply drive the knives, and Δt is short, again to keep actuation crisp. The result? Force applied by the momentum shift was VERY high.

And the valves beat themselves to death, usually in a few months.

Further, the failure mode of the valves was relatively catastrophic in terms of yield: When a valve failed, it would fail “open”, directing a continuous stream of water to the knives of a row, extending all blades continuously. So, for that one lane of the system (1/44th of the total flow), all strips were turned into cubes and sent to co-product, until someone noticed the problem and replaced the valve. That is a significant yield loss in most applications.

The conclusion of the industry at the time? “Send only the strips necessary for cutting (defectives). Do not send any good strips to the ADR, if possible. The chances are too high that good strips will become by-product.” That perception largely holds today.

Even though ADRs since 1999 employ air valves, which both practically eliminate the catastrophic failures and enable single knife throws. Not to mention the savings in maintenance labor and parts.

ADR is a different solution today, folks. It truly is a system worthy of consideration of being used as a primary defect control device. More on price and payback next time.

Tim

6 Comments (Click Here to View or Comment):

updater said...

While the air valves are far better than the old water valves problems/life expectancy is not as good as it could be.
With the size of the valves and the possibility of moisture in the air lines, this causes move servicing than you recommend, this then requires move removals of the manifold from within the cutter wheel, causing problems with cables coming out of the plug.
While the improvements in performance of the machines is a very welcome, the increased servicing that comes with it can be a down side, not every firm has the down time to make the time available for the increased servicing required and specialised servicing at that.

updater said...

While the air valves are far better than the old water valves problems/life expectancy is not as good as it could be.
With the size of the valves and the possibility of moisture in the air lines, this causes move servicing than you recommend, this then requires move removals of the manifold from within the cutter wheel, causing problems with cables coming out of the plug.
While the improvements in performance of the machines is a very welcome, the increased servicing that comes with it can be a down side, not every firm has the down time to make the time available for the increased servicing required and specialised servicing at that.

updater said...

hehe

Double postings
So good you had to repeat it all twice

Maybe someone will resolve the problem

Thanks for noticing that I'm not key personnel
However, as I have worked with your equipment for a very long time & I don't know just how the firm that I work for will take this interaction, I am trying to be careful with my postings

There are a number of issues with your new generation of Adr's (4c & 5's), updating your machines has taken away many of the good points of the Mark 2's and created difficulties

But covering these could give too much away about myself

Being a person who has improved your machines over the years, so much so that my updates are now on your new generation of machines, even though some ideas have been claimed by some members of management

Single bar alignment fingers (one of the team)
Internal cube removal (one of a team) claimed by someone else)
Splash guards between cutterwheel and lamps to stop thrown cubes being recounted by the cameras
Side adjusters for the power rollers (one of the team)
And many more over the years

updater

Tim Reardon said...

Super comments, Updater. Yes, the valve reliability show always be improved. Perhaps more importantly, we should look at quicker detaction of failed valves, and perhaps also provide some notification when valve failure is imminent, perhaps something as simple as cycle counts, perhaps some sort of back EMF or temperature measurement.

If you wish, drop me a note at treardon@key.net.

updater said...

It's our experience that the valves are blocking with an emulsion of oil and water, this block's the valve inlet and the valve no longer works, the similar valve on the Optisort does not suffer from similar problems. However, when this machine was delivered, it had a system on the air line to clean the air before it hit the valves.
Leaving the company that the machine is delivered to fit a system to do the job, is far from ideal, because they will only blame the machine, and therefore Key.
When in truth, it’s the cost cutting during commission that causes problems

Tim Reardon said...

Water and oil are known valve-killers, at least as long as I have known. Yes, we do put coalescing filters on our systems, but also require that the compressed air be delivered as instrument-quality, oil removed and dry. Almost all valve failures result from water and/or oil in the air line.

 
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